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Communism vs Capitalism [I already know the answer trust me]
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Capitalism, on another hand, gives everyone an opportunity to become an entrepreneur and keep profits for themselves
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One argument I do have with melanielust, is that a pro of communism is that it is difficult to get out of poverty under capitalism regime. That maybe true that it is difficult, but I would argue that we have a system of helping people to get out of poverty with education and other opportunities. It is up to the people though to have a will to take advantage of such opportunities. It will not help everyone, and poverty is a reality under any regime. Under communism, how many people live in poverty in China and North Korea - it's even more difficult for them to get out of it.
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All the son of adam needs is ; Food, Shelter, Water
And the government provides that. Well, back then there weren't many people, Sadly there is too many people for that. A new system needs to be made.
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Just more of the same old conceptual nonsense, that spews forth from the human brain.
At the end of the proverbial day, it all depends on who's pointing the gun at whom.
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I believe in equality and justice and feel that Communism is the best approach to realising this.
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Communism is unable to eke and hasn't been experimented under many nations such as NK.
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Just a friendly reminder that the various Soviet and Soviet affiliated states didn't even consider themselves Communist. Communism is a distinct socioeconomic structure from socialiam and was viewed as the end goal that socialism would eventually reach. The various national Communist Parties named themselves after the convention set by the Russian one, who specifically included it because that was the eventual end goal they wanted to achieve - not what they were actually practicing. I feel this causes a lot of confusion for casual commentators.
Could say more but phone typing sucks.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Historical implementation of Communism would be on a much smaller scale. We're talking the Paris Commune, parts of Spain curing the Civil War and aside from that only very local implementations of Communism - small communes of a few hundred people.
I agree with not really being inspired by the socialist nations we've seen - which is why if my country went socialist I wouldn't want it to do so in anything like the same manner as the USSR or similar.
However I think there are a couple of key things to keep in mind.
One is that by some metrics they were very successful. Communist nations have tended to see massive gains in areas like health, life expectancy and industrialisation. If you look at the work of nobel prize winner in economics Amartya Sen, it's worth taking note of his comparison of China and India. As they were both in a very similar position when one went Capitalist and one went Communist, they serve as a very good comparison. What's surprising is that India is the one with the greater number of excess deaths. Even with the massive amount of Deaths in China during the "Great Leap Forward", India still is responsible for more needless death overall because other than that 3 year period China's socialist focus on improving the lives of the poor and providing adequate health care to all as a social necessity - rather than a profit making business - helped vast amount of people who would have died in India. This results in India, the capitalist example in our comparison of two different countries going down two different routes, being responsible for a greater net loss of lives.
Now of course that doesn't excuse the actions of Mao and others and I am obviously after a scenario which can provide the economic and social benefits of socialism without danger of a dictator, but then I don't really see anything excusing the deaths in India either. They are less dramatic - people silently starving or dying of disease steadily across an entire country - but if anything it is a point that is far more wrapped up in Capitalism than the loss of lives in Socialism is with it's economic philosophy. After all it's possible to have socialism without some abhorent dictatorship and any sane socialist nowadays would be advocating for democratic socialism. On the other hand the dispersal of commodities in a manner which maximises profit rather than which maximises the overall human good is exactly the point of Capitalism.
That's why even today backwards and embargoed Cuba provides the same life expectancy as the USA, the most technologically sophisticated nation on earth.
The second point I would want to raise is that I view the issue of Socialist countries being authoritarian dictatorship type places as being correlational, not causational. Socialism is going to be the most attractive in poor, backwards nations who aren't benefiting from the imbalance in international trade and Capitalism. These are also the places that tend to lack a history of democratic rule and lack institutions which guarantee people's freedoms. The problem is geographic rather then socio-economic, I can point to plenty of nations in the same area of the world that didn't go socialist but still ended up as an authoritarian dictatorship. It also didn't help that the first nation to really try and go Soviet, the USSR, was then so much larger and more powerful and was able to then exert so much control over other nations.
Look at Indonesia where the Capitalist dictator Suharto murdered a million of his own citizens, specifically targeting socialist and communist affiliated people. Or Chile where the democratically elected and peaceful socialist President Allende was overthrown my a military junta which then went on to torture and kill the population (Indeed there was a bit of a sudden rise in Latin dictatorships at the time).
The nations that ended up socialist dictatorships are ones where if they went capitalist we would have just expected them to be capitalist dictatorships instead. Hell look at Russia a few years before the revolution - it was actually even worse then. The Russians had no history of democracy and no institutions which would stand up to a leader exercising dictatorial power. I wouldn't expect the same result in a modern Western nation.
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